but scar wanted to ... By: Martinguy12. on 29 Jul 10, 02:29:07 but scar wanted to kill
@Mackerelman No, ... By: hschan4. on 28 Jul 10, 21:44:26 @Mackerelman No, but it will protect society at large from that murderer.
the mere ... By: sethshazam. on 28 Jul 10, 18:56:58 the mere possibility of the execution of an innocent makes it wrong
The thing is, If ... By: eldictator1. on 28 Jul 10, 17:46:30 The thing is, If one innocent life is mistakenly taken through forced confession or bad evidence (which has often happened) then the death penalty is wrong
@Mackerelman No, ... By: Piccadillyo. on 28 Jul 10, 11:12:59 @Mackerelman No, but it keeps the murdurer from killing anyone else, and also allows them to regret, whilst leaving room for the far off possibility of rehabilitation. Also as Irons said, it keeps them around for the possibility of a pardon if they were wrongly sentenced. The Death Penalty does none of those things.
@Piccadillyo
... By: Mackerelman. on 28 Jul 10, 06:24:48 @Piccadillyo
Jailing the convicted murderer won't bring back the victim either.
Argument for the ... By: Mackerelman. on 28 Jul 10, 06:24:16 Argument for the death penalty: some people really, really deserve to die.
Argument against: that's just not so.
@Piccadillyo Guys ... By: publicmario17. on 28 Jul 10, 01:06:25 @Piccadillyo Guys don't bother replying to him. He a typical Yankee Conservative that wanting to spread his lies agenda and not relying on facts. He think that USA is the best country and higher GPD yet it actually poor. i know a lot of Americans came to Canada for free health care because the states denied them health. Because their health cost is high. Not to mention there is a right wing corporation that denied Americans health care. look and read his profile. it says "fuck human rights".
@Poole1Dan how does ... By: docksidebum. on 28 Jul 10, 01:00:12 @Poole1Dan how does more people mean more murder? (by proportion). Larger European countries such as the UK or Germany have populations much less than 10 times smaller than that of the USA, and they also have much smaller land size and bigger population density.
Thats why I am a ... By: mshsz. on 27 Jul 10, 23:44:39 Thats why I am a Canadian . We have banned the death penalty yet we have much lower crime rates in PERCENTAGES so population doesn't have an effect.
@Poole1Dan 2 Qs.
1 ... By: Piccadillyo. on 27 Jul 10, 23:18:22 @Poole1Dan 2 Qs.
1) Will killing the convicted bring back the victim?If u think that a family's grief of loss can be relieved by the killing of another,then u've a V low view of human life.
2) If the execution DOES bring the victim's family some happiness,do u think that happiness is psychologically healthy?Don't u think that in time, a F member may regret having had another die for their supposed satisfaction?And loathe the system that allowed them in their grief-clouded judgement,to do so?
@Poole1Dan Aside ... By: Piccadillyo. on 27 Jul 10, 22:59:44 @Poole1Dan Aside from your fail 'food' analogy, your "empirically proven" statistic is utter bullshit (did the scientists get a time machine and travel back to observe how many would have died had they NOT killed the convicted?) and the fact that you refer to the taking of lives for ANY reason as "an extremilly useful tool" tells me enough about your regard for human life to make me wonder why you even care about the murders for which you so obstinately demand retribution.
I call the DP crude ... By: Piccadillyo. on 27 Jul 10, 22:51:56 I call the DP crude cos it fails to poignantly perform its purpose of punishment, & condemns any possibility of rehabilitation. But I know you spit on mercy, so I'll stick to your favourite. PUNISHMENT.Killing the convicted provides no such thing. How can they suffer/regret the crime if they're dead? Instead the family are punished with grief, so it is 'crude' as it doesn't enforce retribution in any definate way. Eating isn't 'crude' because it poignantly serves its purpose in keeping us alive.
i argee with ... By: JohnAdams198805. on 27 Jul 10, 22:47:34 i argee with jermeny irons comments hes 100% spot one
@Piccadillyo "The ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:57:32 @Piccadillyo "The death penality is primative and crude"
Sex, eating, and sleeping are primitive and sometimes crude as well. Point being, the fact that a particular act is primitive or crude is NOT an argument against said act. Fact is, the death penalty serves justice because the punishment fits the crime, and it also deters murder, as in the USA, each execution has been emprically proven to save 4-29 lives. The death penalty is therefore an extremely useful tool, to say the least
@Piccadillyo ok. so ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:54:59 @Piccadillyo ok. so we don't execute the convicted murderer cause we want to spare his family the grief. what about the victims family, huh? they usually want justice served. can you imagien the emotional devestation you will bring on them by not executing the killer of their loved one? I guess you can't. you'd spare the killers family at the expense of the victims family! SICK!!!
@ewen666 " Or is ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:51:48 @ewen666 " Or is crazy? Or is somehow justified in their own mind?"
Very rarely are innocents convicted, and none have been executed. And the murderer is always 'crazy' by the literal definition of the word, or else he wouldn't kill in the first place. his being literally crazy is therefore not a justification for not executing him. Neither is his self-justification. any criminal can come up with self-justification. are we therefore not to punish them?
@ewen666 "exactly ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:48:58 @ewen666 "exactly how does punishment fit the crime in any offence?"
1. If you are going to talk about doing exactly to the criminal what he did to his victim, then thats basically what you have with the death penalty: the criminal commite murder, therefore, he is executed
2. the concept of the punishment fitting the crime has always been understood as a punishment which is proportional to the crime commite,d not necessarily doing to the criminal exactly what he did to the victim.
@dumdum5 "use ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:46:06 @dumdum5 "use intelligent ways to eradicate violence"
the only intelligent way to eradicate violence, as the USA has proven, is to have tough law enforcement via cops on the streets, guns in the hands of citizens, longer and more frequent jail sentences for violent criminals, and the death penalty for murders and rapists and such.
@dumdum5 "the state ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:44:03 @dumdum5 "the state have to be an exemple of wisdom"
the USA tried to be an example of wisdom in the 60's and 70's, and it was a bloody failure. What we need is tough LAW enforcement. thats whats been proven to lower murder rates and deter murder. Fuck your 'examples of wisdom.' they result in innocent citizens needlessly being slaughtered in the thousands, and they DENY justice to society and the victims family.
@dumdum5 "death ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:42:06 @dumdum5 "death penalty shows how much a country is not civilised"
FALSE. China and the USA are nations with the death penalty, and both countries have strong central governments with virbrant economies and relatively low murder rates. How the fuck are those countries uncivilzied? answer: they are not. the idea that a nation with the DP is uncivilized is a MYTH.
@dumdum5 "how much ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:40:45 @dumdum5 "how much have not been so lucky"
Answer: NONE. There has not been any exoneration of an executed man by the DOJ or any other branch of government in the USA since 1970. why? cause there has never been enough evidence showing beyond a reasonable doubt that an executed man was innocent. End of story
@ewen666 "Why is is ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:39:56 @ewen666 "Why is is that mostly nations like Yemen, Kenya, Latin American nations Thailand etc have the DP when most? European developed states do not/ dont use it'
Like Hperman09 said: those nations apparently don't have the death penalty. nice try. you fail.
@ewen666 Besides, I ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:38:42 @ewen666 Besides, I bought up China being a civilized nation because the claim from anti-justice creeps like you is that a nation which has the death penalty is uncivilized, and nations like China and the USA put the LIE to that claim.
"nationswiththedeath penalty have no lower crime rates than any other"
actually, China has lower murder rates then any country in europe, and in the USA, each execution has been proven to save 4-29 lives and hence DETER murder. so yes, the DP is a deterrent
@ewen666 "China is ... By: Poole1Dan. on 27 Jul 10, 19:36:37 @ewen666 "China is one of the most repressive nations on Earth with a terrible human rights record"
I never said China didn't have faults. What I said was China was a civilized nation, which is true: they have a strong central government with a vibrant economy and very little murder. A repressive government to be sure, but a civilized society nonetheless. You can be a civilized nation and still be repressive.
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